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Maschine VS MPC Studio - My take

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Bremen, May 26, 2013.

  1. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    C'mon jpeg your post are usually allot more credible than this thread, allot of cats using mpcs aren't even comfortable using computers, for every 3 people he can show you like that I can show you 50 of just the opposite. I've always valued what you had to say but you're making me wonder. Nostalgia, and now esoteric.... Do you really think midi is esoteric, what about mutes is that the esoteric part?
    You know the mp is 20 times easier to use than the esx. You know I'd much rather you let it be known you're just giving me the elbow a bit rather than act like you're serious cause I can take the ribbing but you're one of the good guys around here and I expect better from you.
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    But you're misinterpreting what I'm saying, I didn't say you couldn't bond with maschine, how the hell you think I purchased mo than one if I hadn't bonded, that has nothing to do with the Merritt's of being able to use an instrument not connected to the computer, you're giving credit to the feel of the esx and in the same breath you're saying that when I give credit to the feel of the esx it's based on something less credible. Doesn't make since to me
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    So if we both agree the esx has its own 'feel' and if we both agree that maschine does not feel like the esx, then what is it that you're disagreeing with, the fact that I say the mpc has its own feel as well, the fact that I say using a piece of gear without being connected to a computer has its own feel, or is it something else?
    Nothing wrong with us disagreeing of course but it should have some basis don't you think?
     
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  2. flux302

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    For someone to say that mpc users would like the steeper learning curve.... that goes 180 from why the mpc gained so much acceptance in the late 90's and early 00's. Much of the mpc user base grew from the fact at the time it was one of the easiest most straight forward sampler / sequencers out (I say this from personal experience ) at this point ... its all about brand recognition. And the fact is akai had a long history of hits made using the mpc. It was nentioned in countless interviews. Now suedo producers default to its name when they don't know a ton about the alternatives
     
  3. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    agreed, there are folks who put brand first, but there are a slew of folks that are not, I'm a perfect example of the latter, I didn't buy maschine, my mpc, my esx or my roland sp because of the brand. I just love sampling beatmachines to death, love ableton for the same reason. and I also agree that the mpc is one of the easiest pieces to use.
     
  4. flux302

    flux302 NI Product Owner

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    not saying 100% of their sales are from that point of view (obviously)... also as for a maschine that is a stand alone hardware. it wouldn't work unless it was really a kick ass spec. and it would be way more than 1600 (lets remember your talking development costs, and the fact that its not so simple as X Y Z components at cost shoved into a box will work)... HOWEVER... one interesting route i could see it taking in the future would be a DSP route. where in that maschine could actually be similar to a UAD card in that the stand alone unit would actually handle many of the direct processing of the maschine application and allowing your computer cpu to focus on the rest. this would make for a super snappy system... it would still be expensive but could also be a great way to add power to the system. this is a route i wouldn't really mind seeing,... but truth be told I much prefer its current form in that I can set this nice controller on my lap and bang away, I can't do that with my mpc. and I don't feel I lose portability. I close my Retina mbp and set it on top and it works excellent and is still lighter and more compact than my mpc. (and its battery powered)
     
  5. jpeg

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    right at the time it was simple but iqs have been going down for years

    the average kid making beats on fruit loops of playstation mtv beat maker will find himself hit with a learning curve when messing with the mpc.


    lotta of the old mpc cats used to say using the computer was cheating cos its too easy or cats say if u use auto chop ur cheating or if u use wave form editing ur cheating.

    not that i agree with the above but im saying that the sentiment does/di exsist.
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    peeps have a certain mystique associated with the older mpc's, so while the process of making beats on the mp is simple, hardware user have a certain ego smugness that pure software heads dont tend to have.

    both the mpc and the esx are easy to use as is maschine

    esx has a great feel but i take issue with ur assertion that the esx or any other hardware box gains greater bond ability from the mere fact that u have a power umbilical cord as opposed to a usb umbilical cord.
     
  6. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    It's a psychological thing, I agree with you everyone doesn't feel that way look at the two of us but here's an example, you know that feeling you have when using maschine like flux does (which is how I use it) where your computer is closed, and in my case across the room and you feel satisfied that you don't have to look at the computer screen....?

    Well that whole concept is not there when using an sp, esx,or mp cause you know it's not connected.


    @flux I'm not so familiar with manufacturing gains and losses as some of you talking about how feasible it would or would not be to make a truly stand alone maschine, but I can whole heatedly say that I believe that if the beat gang crew could do it, especially with them having no connections, no history, and no expertise outside of sample packs, and on top of that doit their first time out, that ni could run circles around themif they wanted to.

    Arturia is allot more capable than the beat thang crew and I believe that ni could out do arturias origin too.
    I mean look at it this way, if beat thang was capable of that, then adjust your ratios of your thought process and tell me what is ni capable of?......... They're certainly not only capable of less, and anything more would equal a stand alone maschine
     
  7. Berndoctor

    Berndoctor New Member

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    Have you seen this video on Sampling your computer's output?

     
  8. alexbuga

    alexbuga NI Product Owner

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    I meant built in audio interface on the controller.
     
  9. W. Steele

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    I just bought a Ren last week because of all the 1.7 buzz, so I thought it might be up to par (finally) . I was sadly disappointed. While I believe that the Ren hardware is built like a tank and beautiful , it felt like having a Ferarri w/ a Pinto engine. The learning curve wasn't hard at all for someone who was familiar w/ MPC's after using them for 14+ years but the sample editing window was a mess. No chop and drag to pad, if I attempted to import a whole song in and scan around for pieces it choked the whole time AND there's no duplicate function. At least as not as easily as it works on Maschine. And the whole library organization method is laughable. NI make is amazingly easy to organize and create your own groups without copying the same files all over the place and I didn't get that from the MPC software.

    Needless to say, the Ren is going straight back to the store this week. I'm still using an MK2 but I think I'm gonna pass on the Studio and see what they come up w/ within the next year or so. I think a unit with a built in audio interface might very well be in the near future.
     
  10. Ghost_On_Da_Maschine

    Ghost_On_Da_Maschine NI Product Owner

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    Sounds like some pilot error involved.:(
     
  11. W. Steele

    W. Steele Forum Member

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    No pilot error. The MPC software is just garbage compared to Maschine. Plain and simple.
     
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  12. Harsh

    Harsh NI Product Owner

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    I did not want to admit it at first, but the Maschine software is much more developed than the AKAI software. After investing in the MPC Ren and Studio--they are collecting dust now, even with 1.7 installed.
     
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  13. the hamburgler

    the hamburgler Forum Member

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    wish both of you would be more specific, what exactly is it that the 1.7 software is not doing? Let us know so that as maschine users we can appreciate what your basing your comments on, for instance if it's komplete integration then it's not relevant, the comparisons should be on a universal basis.
     
  14. ashs_au

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    no way - this may have been the case - I'm coming in late to the MPC Ren - after the 1.7 update. I think the 2 products have diverged to the point where it's getting hard to compare them now.
     
  15. jpeg

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    utter bollocks imo

    its not like akai has now become photoshop both apps are geared towards working with audio production; with sequencing and sampling.

    so the apples and oranges argument does not fly imo
     
  16. jpeg

    jpeg Forum Member

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    I have 1.7 I am not a deep app user like most of the features of maschine or mpc i don use so based on my limited usage I still think 1.7 is stepping in the right direction.

    there are many things that are not as intuitive as machine such as copying the same sample to multiple pads, as one example but; and sample assigning is not as quick but they will improve.
     
  17. ashs_au

    ashs_au Forum Member

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    well, that's not what I said is it. With the Ren I'm back in a comfort-zone like on my old hardware MPC. I think there's a big difference in the way that you work inside both applications & huge difference in the control-surfaces. I use both now.
     
  18. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    I don't think its even right to compare maschine to the ren, I think the more accurate comparison is to the impc pro app on the ipad, I would love to see someone well versed in both sequencers to make a comparison.
     
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  19. jpeg

    jpeg Forum Member

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    just an example as long as ur comparing a sampling drum machine to a sampling drum machine the two will always be comparable. or any other sampling workstation for that matter.
     
  20. Ghost_On_Da_Maschine

    Ghost_On_Da_Maschine NI Product Owner

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    No, your statements showed you have some issues with understanding things.